Friday, November 30, 2007

Sandbaggers: what to do with those unused upgrade points

Sell them on eBay!

Someone called this out on the BA Cyclocross group - this is the funniest thing I've read in a while...

Ebay Listing: Cyclocross cross upgrade points from Verge sandbaggers

Be sure to read the Q&A section.

I wonder if Casey will allow you to use any of these points...


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you
I was going to offer mine on Craig's List, but then thought E Bay would get more takers. I have been in the top 5 of the B division all year with 2 wins and plan on racing B division next year and the year after that too. SO I should have plenty of extra upgrade points to auction off. Infact, I wanted to be the first male rider to race in the female division. then I could get points for women to purchase off of me and I could make even more money with this cash and food for oil program. If I race out of state do those points count as well if i wanted to seel them?

7:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I wanted to be the first male rider to race in the female division. then I could get points for women to purchase off of me"

You think you'd have some points to sell, eh? Have you seen the women's races around here lately? Good luck...

6:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry boy, but the top 1 or 2 women are fast, but i have been looking at the time gaps and they get huge after 3rd or 4th place. i know i could get top 5 and then sell off those upgrade points. plus i have been calculating the average lap times and my B division times are faster then the female riders sometimes.

9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice, you must be Tom Fox Racing 45+ B. He has won every race he has entered this season. Funny, he has 3rd overall in 35+ B in last years Super prestige Series. Rock Lobster must be very proud! I guess he can retire now until he hits 55.

12:24 PM  
Blogger funkdaddy said...

It's just a little sad to me that you've actually computed where you'd fall in a different gender class.

Whatever your job is, I want it.

3:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just write some rules into the series such as:

1) You can only win prizes in a lower category for the first 3 races. After that, no prizes will be awarded.

2) If you win 2 races in a "lower" category you are automatically bumped up to the higher category within the series. Or 4 top 3's and your bumped up.

1:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah like it's OK for a B or a C to win alot, but, not tooooooo

6:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We in Europe have certain divisions to seperate the sand bagging suckers. We have Elite "C" division, or the Elite "B" division. This is a group that is formed from the winners and top finishers of the lower groups who are too afraid to race up. So we put them in their own little Elite sandbagging division and single them out for being the best and fastest of the lower divisions. This group is then fully scolded during the races and after the races. And eventually they move up to the high division after being singled out again and again for being the best of the intermediate divisions.
It has worked and last week at the Belgium Loper Race many of the B division winners banned together and raced the advanced group. They did well and showed themselves that after a few "B" or "C" wins it is time to upgrade.

Johan M.

12:58 AM  
Anonymous Montel said...

I like what Cross Crusade in Oregon was doing the last time I was up there - they give prizes to the "B" fields by a random draw after the start of the race. So they will announce at the finish that places 10-15 get prizes today - something like that anyway. Of course the guy who one the race that day in the "B"s had a spare bike, full team skinsuit, and was bunny hopping all of the barriers - hmmmm sounds like a sandbagger to me! NO PRIZE FOR YOU!

I also liked Toshi from Giro's idea a few years ago where he offered a prize to the worst finisher of a series who did the most races. So someone who raced all the races and scored the fewest points got a prize.

12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we should have mass start races with all categories on quadruple wide courses with the top 20 splitting the entry fee money.

2:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the bay area has perfected the art of taking the soul out of CX. Selling points, disc brakes, water bottles and the biggest bunch of whiners I have encountered since my introduction to bike racing. Oh yeah, DFL, what a joke, they are the laughing stock of the san francisco cycling community.

7:57 PM  
Blogger funkdaddy said...

disc brakes and water bottles are taking the soul out of CX???

oh, and how ironic is it that in the midst of your rant you became the biggest whiner in the bunch?

12:27 AM  
Anonymous gibbo said...

I just wanted to say thanks to all the crossers out there that made my first season a blast. I raced all 5 of the BASP series in mens CAT C and ended up not getting lapped @ GGP (which is my back yard) and doing very well at CCCP. I have been racing for years in BMX in the 80's and 90's and started competing in triathlon about 3 years ago. Nothing til now has given me such a thrill and challenge. You are all a really great crowd and look forward to racing with you for many years to come.


10:49 AM  
Anonymous cheetah said...

Let's say I'm a good rider with very good results. Years of cyclocross experience. Basically elite level in ability, results and experience. The thing is that I ride a mountainbike in CX races, or if I have to, I ride a cx bike with flat bars. I don't ride a drop bar, 700c wheeled bike in CX even though that is what a CX bike is.

Am I considered a sandbagger to use the advantages of flat bars/ mountainbikes while nearly everyone else uses normal CX bikes? Am I necessarily and evil person?

I mean, how long will I be able to get away with this? Ha, the USA Cycling people and promoters don't seem to care....why should I?

9:10 AM  
Blogger funkdaddy said...

In your years of experience it's funny you still think those are advantages. Do you think we ride cx bikes because they're cool?

3:27 PM  
Anonymous cheetah said...

Dude, I'm just yanking your (or anybody who cares to read my sarcastic comment) chain. I'm just poking a little fun at those who do ride mountainbikes. No evil intentions or anything. I ride a cx bike 100% of the time in cx races. My honest opinion is that flat bars or mountainbikes should not be allowed at all except in beginner catogories. Cyclocross is for cyclocross bikes and to make such a rule would take a little pressure off promoters' shoulders in their course design and make it simple for everybody.

Merry Christmas!

8:33 AM  

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